or cookies.. or pie.. or somethin... i was grocery shopping sunday.. went past the cake mix / pudding/ baking needs aisle and thought hmmmmmm if i buy it i'll eat it..so i took the moral high ground and didnt buy anything..... now 2 days later... i want my cake!!!.
betty crocker where are you?.
(i know i'm old..but those confetti cake mixes that are supposed to be for kids?..
oops sorry, obviously a chick thread, my bad, (backing out the door nervously keeping one eye on the chick with the cake knife)
enjoy
pak
ps except for ofg who obviously has the munchies, and carmel (can ba'hai eat cake???? )
pps had a yummy lunch today at a hare krishna restaurant - very exJW thing to do
ppps might just go get some icecream
bye for now
j.r. brown said about half the df's go back.
i know some who went back and promptly faded, some who went back and were "bt" jws (barely there), a few who went back and quickly got df'd again usually before they even got privileges back.. but the one that takes the cake (in my opinion) is the former po of my parent's congregation who had been giving dc parts for years getting disfellowshipped a couple of months after giving the rousing talk, "abhor what is wicked, cling to what is good.
" only after his reinstatement did i discover that was his third df.
the borg love statistics dont they
i can just imagine the pie graph being shown in a powerpoint presentation at a gb meeting off all the reasons why people are disfellowshipped, and all the old fogeys sitting there thinking "thats a pretty picture - whats for lunch"
what doesnt show up in there stats is all the faders and they dont go back very often, thats where they're really hurting
cheers
pak
ps crumpet has a 67% reinstatement rate - above average, not bad for someone whos out for good
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we were all taught that we would live eternally and we all beleived it.. how do you feel now?
i still beleive i'll be here in 1000000000000 years eating poutine and drinking beer.
i'm here for a good time not a long time
everything is temporary if you can wait around long enough
change is the only constant
and various other overused cliches
my friend marion has just arrived at my home, and she certainly has had an interesting few days!
she hasn't been attending meetings lately, and on saturday the po from her hall phoned to ask why.
actually, he had phoned several times before, and left messages, but she hasn't been replying and, in his own words, he is very concerned as to what, if anything, is wrong.. she remembers the conversation fairly well (pity she couldn't record it), and it went like this:.
a quick suggestion - has she considered going back to a couple of meetings and then stopping again
rather than cold turkey like now, a good fade takes time (like Wild Turkey )
i know it is almost impossible to stomach when you know the "truth" about the lie but if she wants to reduce chances of being sprung
although you cant be dfed for not going to meetings, and refusing to answer questions so she may be on the right track
best of luck
cheers
pak
a man cannot walk on water, truly dead people do not come back to life and 1 + 1 will never equal 3. these are just a few of the absurd impossibilities that one must swallow and accept in order to 'believe' the bible.. why does the belief that the bible is 'truth' persist?.
men cannot survive a fiery furnace unscathed, the sun cannot stand still in the sky and donkeys cannot speak hebrew.
unless you believe the bible.
why do so many believe?
BTW, I am not a 'demon'. I am a 'nightmare'
I think rex answered your question right there - some people see the supernatural and believe it to be truth - when there is only misunderstanding and illusion
anyway I can tell you why I no longer believe - if ALMIGHTY GOD is going to write one book that guides his creation to salvation then I would expect a much better book than the bible, either the bible is not it, or the ALMIGHTY GOD is a very bad communicator
imho the bible seems more designed to ensure the minimum number attain salvation, whilst having plenty to argue about on the way
it makes a vcr manual look easy to follow
cheers
pak
i know this is slightly off-topic but i find alot of the discussion here somewhat depressing and most of it is far too cerebral for me.
i (obviously) live in america and i'm a big fan of beer.
light, dark, lager, ale, whatever.
there can be only one
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sorry - cant work out how to show the pic
me: s***ing one: where have i complained about scripture?
he: then you have now changed your mind and believe that all scripture is inspired?
me: as others have already helpfully pointed out, questioning and complaining are completely different.
Rex
Eternal souls won simply by giving people a reason to believe is all that is important in the end.
If you really believe that Rex, really really believe it, then you will publicly apologise to jg for publicly insulting her faith and let jg have the floor as she does a much much better job at this than you.
But if you dont believe, if it is all just pretty words, then you will keep arguing.
cheers
pak
ps xians fight dirty
why aren't witnesses vegetarians?
it's well known that adam and eve were vegetarian.
there was only ever a concession given by god to allow meat eating after the flood as there was no vegetation so it was forced and rather a temporary fix up rather than a new permanent diet.
abaddon - the problem with your argument is you are using logic with someone who has no use for logic, or accuracy, truth, consideration, spelling, punctuation, etc
i have been reading a lot of the "debates" here on jwd and have picked up a few pointers, so if I may humbly make some suggestions
what you need to do is throw in more insults - i saw a few but they may have gone over his head so make them more obvious, misspell the big words to make him feel at home, make up a few outrageous claims and support them with facts (eg dead animals go to heaven so killing them is a mercy, and you know this cause last nights veal parmigiana appeared to you in a vision), go with a few more insults - insults are like pepperoni you can never have too much, stay away from maths as anyone who thinks 1000 is more than 1005 is going to have difficulty following you, and then at the end as the coup de foie gras claim that he is avoiding the issues and your arguments are insurmountable (or a smaller word that means the same)
cheers, hope this helps
pak
ok, i have been in and out of here lately due to schedules.
each time i log in there is a new member on the board.
when i go to see who they are...usually there is nothing and everyone is doing great and jumping right into conversation...but i for one would like to know your stories...anyone care to share or just introduce themselves to everyone?.
G'day
I have been lurking for a few months and started posting a few weeks ago.
Have been out for about two years, since a friend let me in on the UN story which motivated me to start doing some research and read all the WTS sins.
Thankfully my wife came to the same conclusions at the same time so am very lucky there. When I read some of the stories on here about trying to leave when the spouse wants to stay, that seems like the hardest thing.
I was born in JW land. Elder father, but one of the good elders that everyone loved, believed humility was most important quality next to love. When I think back on it I was never really that into the JWs, pioneered for a brief while, never MS or anything, but hung in there cause there was too much to lose. Couldnt bring myself to give it a good honest scrutiny until it was shoved in my face. So thats something I learnt about myself from the JW experience. Not angry to the witlesses (well maybe a little) but still angry at myself for letting myself be fooled for so long when deepdown I wasnt 100% certain.
Went from JW to athiest in about 2 minutes, as everything I knew about the bible and god I had leart from them so that all got thrown out at the same time. Have now came back to an agnostic viewpoint, but if there is a god, I'm pretty sure he aint the christian version.
Anyway, out and loving it.
Today is just another day in paradise.
pak
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i cant help but think of the analogy of pendulum swings when i think about how vitriolic some are towards religion (of any description), the bible (and other scripture), and christianity (generally, regardless of there being a wide range of denominational flavours) in particular.. it seems to me, from my perspective of sitting here on a remote scottish island, that there are a fair number of folks who may have left an intolerant and generalising religion but forgot to leave those attitudes with it.. just my 2p, coz to be frank i'm getting sick of it.. by all means enjoy some self-expression, it's a relatively free planet, but have a heart....
I'm new here but one of the things I like about this site is the intelligent, reasoned but heartfelt discussion of religion and spiritual matters, it seems in most social situations anything more than a oneliner on religion is not the done thing, whereas here the range and depth of opinions runs the whole gamut and is openly discussed, and imho thats great
for me, I went from bible bashing JW to bible burning athiest in about two minutes, and a year later have come back to admitting that I know next to nothing, so the journey continues
so the thoughts of people who are on their own journey are interesting to me, cause if we didn't discuss with people on a different journey we wouldnt know what the view was like
but you shouldn't be rude, or intolerant, unless they start it
cheers
pak
